So this came up in my feed. Don't know why, but what the heck is a p320? I gather it's some kind of gun but I hate that people post things assuming that everyone who sees it knows what they're talking about.
Sure, so Sig Sauer is a brand of firearm, and the P320 is a specific model. They are a “category” of pistols that come in various calibers. This one apparently has safety issues. They’re generally thought of as quality firearms, though like with anything some people love them, some don’t. Go check one out, probably not this model but go to a range with an instructor, you’d probably enjoy it. Most do.
I myself have a Glock, but the place I train has defended the Sig when the issue arose with the unexpected discharges. But I too was wondering why suddenly this was on my feed. Is it because of the incident with the nurse in Minnesota and the rumors that the Border Patrol agent accidentally discharged it? It was a Sig so I’m now wondering if it was for this reason that the firearm went off?
Sig is a well made firearm and any manufacturer can have issues with a particular model. I have both and glocks are usually purchased because they're cheap and then you wind up having to put different aftermarket components for betrer functionality. It probably showed up in your feed because your phone listens to you, reads ypur mind, and there are also algorithms for similar stories. As for someone getting shot in Mn, we'll never know because 99.99% of what is shown in the news is fake, i.e., moom landings, the titantic, convid, school shootings, etc., and one of the worst acting jobs had to be the lady that tried to throw a flash bang and had her hand blown off. At any rate, Sig is a reputable manufacturer and I'm sure they'll work this issue out.
Sure, so Sig Sauer is a brand of firearm, and the P320 is a specific model. They are a “category” of pistols that come in various calibers. This one apparently has safety issues. They’re generally thought of as quality firearms, though like with anything some people love them, some don’t. Go check one out, probably not this model but go to a range with an instructor, you’d probably enjoy it. Most do.
Sure, so Sig Sauer is a brand of firearm, and the P320 is a specific model. They are a “category” of pistols that come in various calibers. This one apparently has safety issues. They’re generally thought of as quality firearms, though like with anything some people love them, some don’t. Go check one out, probably not this model but go to a range with an instructor, you’d probably enjoy it. Most do.
The P365 is a decent compact sidearm. The construction of the P320 is a completely different platform. The “uncommanded” discharges appear to be possibly related to MIM [Metal Injected Mold] parts made by an Indian company.
When I was in a small town in Arizona a few years back, the local liquor store also sold ammunition…from a drive through window. That’s not disturbing 😳
You gun worshipping fucktards should start carrying your defective handguns shoved as far up your ass as you can reach. This will keep them safe from the rest of us who don’t worship gun ownership over human lives. Fuck you, fuck your guns. 🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕
If shit goes down in the world like, say for example, a tyrannical government takes power. What exactly are you gonna do? Ask Jesus to take care of him?
No. You’re gonna just sit there, stroking your gun.
Just because some folks own a gun, or several, doesn’t make them a nut. I can’t stand fascists as much as any sane person, nor do I “enjoy” guns, but I have them. Seriously, seek help.
That sounds a lot like a threat buddy. You best get right with your God. I think there was a commandment regarding loving your neighbor or something too. Man you people don’t follow your own book or even try to pretend anymore. Fucking pathetic.
When you write God always make the g upper case. I’m very old and not in good health. I’m not the least bit interested in attaching anyone by any means. If you know what my intentions were then you wouldn’t have been so hostile towards me. I mean no harm to anyone.
Truly a case of stupid is as stupid does if they know there’s a problem and still won’t stop carrying them. How about that AFB where the Sig went off in the holster? They made the security police carry M4s until they could get replacement handguns.
At the AFB, it was found that the two airmen were playing around with the pistol and caused a negligent discharge, killing one of the two airmen. The survivor lied about it “going off inside the holster” to cover up the negligence in order to avoid getting into trouble.
Be that as it may, let’s not forget the Dallas PD also pulled the Sig for accidental discharges. It was reported during drop testing it was never tested for a drop where it landed vertically on the hammer. It was “fixed” but that gives any claim of an accidental discharge immediate credibility.
As an American I find it disturbing that you eunuchs are so testosterone deficient that you've allowed your countries to be destroyed by third world marauders and have no weapons to stand up to your tyrannical governments.
How do you feel about the tyrannical government in our streets now? How many amendments are okay to break? After Saturday you can now add the 2A to the list of civil liberties being broken.
You are truly a clueless moron regurgitating BS because you don’t have the gray matter to think for yourself. Take out 18-30 year old blacks murdering each other and we’re one of the safest nations in the world.
You should also advise your viewers about the incident of “accidental discharge” where the idiot lied and his buddies covered for him. So the 320 has been maligned mostly on a lie. Do some research.
He is talking about the fact that this gun can fire just by being on a table that gets bumped. He has videos on YouTube. These guns need to be recalled.
Keeping a weapon unchambered, that has a very small history of being unsafe, is being an idiot? Granted, it is not very good as an every day carry that way, but it is still a good weapon for those who know what they are doing. If someone is not carrying a weapon, they rarely should keep it chambered anyway.
Had he not added the “duhhhhh” like he’s Saying folks are stupid, I wouldn’t have bothered. Fact is if you’re carrying and need your weapon asap, you don’t want to be bothered jacking the slide or dry firing on an empty chamber first. That’s what the safety is for…
I agree the 320 has enough of a history to make one doubt its everyday safety. But they are not as bad as many people think. The recent admission that the Air Force officer was shot because he was messing around and not that the weapon failed, is a good indication that some of the reported failures were human failures. And the truth is, most people drive cars everyday that have higher proven failure rates leading to injury and death. Sig has provided a fix for their earlier versions and improved the latest versions. Cowboys carried guns that were much more likely to malfunction than the 320. If I go out in bear country, I will still carry my Sig 320 XTEN.
I think the bad reputation of the P320 is more related to the litigation culture in the US, holster compatibility and training than a design flaw. This seems realistic given the trigger pull - and that there was a 2017 upgrade to design to prevent UCs (if dropped). Blaming the weapon is something I've heard from many a soldier who's had a negligent discharge. So to get away with the shame, a fine, or buying a yard of beer, and maybe get a paycheck on the way, why not litigate?
If you don't believe this you can compare European to US cases. In addition, the Danish police signed a contract for the P320 in 2018, and this was renewed in 2023. If the weapon was that bad, would they extend the contract? The Norwegians police has used the gun from 2018, and there are no widespread reports of UCs, but reports on unintended discharges align more with NDs.
The P320 X-Carry is built on the same chassis, and from what I gather there are no changes to the safety mechanisms, and this gun is used by Danish SOCOM, GEO in Spain, the Swiss Armed Forces, and several SWAT teams in the US. That's units that wouldn't accept a piece of shit gun, but on the other hand have rigorous training standards.
You are making an assumption that the units in Europe are the same as America. They aren't. 40% of the triggers in the P320 platform in American models are made by an Indian company with poor QA/QC.
Like they give a fvck what gun ethusiasts want. Our military has banned the P320 in multiple units/divisions and that didn't make Sig change. What makes you think private individuals would matter when Sig has made a complete ass out of themselves on this topic?
You did not. I just wanted to point it out, as I still do believe that there may be some litigation cultur and training issues related to this, at least with the guns without the Indian platform. USSOCOM operatives have high standards of training and I don't see them as the litigation type based on my experience with them.
So this came up in my feed. Don't know why, but what the heck is a p320? I gather it's some kind of gun but I hate that people post things assuming that everyone who sees it knows what they're talking about.
The title includes Sig, one of the largest gun manufacturers in the business.
Sure, so Sig Sauer is a brand of firearm, and the P320 is a specific model. They are a “category” of pistols that come in various calibers. This one apparently has safety issues. They’re generally thought of as quality firearms, though like with anything some people love them, some don’t. Go check one out, probably not this model but go to a range with an instructor, you’d probably enjoy it. Most do.
I myself have a Glock, but the place I train has defended the Sig when the issue arose with the unexpected discharges. But I too was wondering why suddenly this was on my feed. Is it because of the incident with the nurse in Minnesota and the rumors that the Border Patrol agent accidentally discharged it? It was a Sig so I’m now wondering if it was for this reason that the firearm went off?
Sig is a well made firearm and any manufacturer can have issues with a particular model. I have both and glocks are usually purchased because they're cheap and then you wind up having to put different aftermarket components for betrer functionality. It probably showed up in your feed because your phone listens to you, reads ypur mind, and there are also algorithms for similar stories. As for someone getting shot in Mn, we'll never know because 99.99% of what is shown in the news is fake, i.e., moom landings, the titantic, convid, school shootings, etc., and one of the worst acting jobs had to be the lady that tried to throw a flash bang and had her hand blown off. At any rate, Sig is a reputable manufacturer and I'm sure they'll work this issue out.
Exactly
Sure, so Sig Sauer is a brand of firearm, and the P320 is a specific model. They are a “category” of pistols that come in various calibers. This one apparently has safety issues. They’re generally thought of as quality firearms, though like with anything some people love them, some don’t. Go check one out, probably not this model but go to a range with an instructor, you’d probably enjoy it. Most do.
Sure, so Sig Sauer is a brand of firearm, and the P320 is a specific model. They are a “category” of pistols that come in various calibers. This one apparently has safety issues. They’re generally thought of as quality firearms, though like with anything some people love them, some don’t. Go check one out, probably not this model but go to a range with an instructor, you’d probably enjoy it. Most do.
FORMAT: [Manufacturer] [Model]
E.g., Ford F-250, Apple iPhone 16, SIG P320,…
Some of us do… took me less time to answer her, than you took not to (~3.7 seconds ~;-)
Fact check: mostly true ☑️
I’m very happy with my little P365
I still have all my toes…
The P365 is a decent compact sidearm. The construction of the P320 is a completely different platform. The “uncommanded” discharges appear to be possibly related to MIM [Metal Injected Mold] parts made by an Indian company.
buUut… does everyone standing nearby?
(Just kidding… not the same weapon ~;-)
you lost me at “i went to my local gun shop”
One thing disturbing to me, as an Australian: “…my local gun shop…”
When I was in a small town in Arizona a few years back, the local liquor store also sold ammunition…from a drive through window. That’s not disturbing 😳
Here’s the opposite, and less lethal: When I lived in Denver a few years back, there was a Taco Bell next door to a cannabis dispensary!
I love that! I wonder which opened first?
Head to Iowa, where blind people can own firearms. Wonder how many other states permit this.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/iowa-guns-blind/
You win today’s craziest fact. Maybe we should accuse them of being woke, of pandering to DEI? 😁
Yeah, he made ‘my local gun shop’ sound like he was going to Sainsbury’s for a pint of milk, and half a dozen eggs!
"Hon, I'm steppin' out for some beer and hollow points. Back soon."
That blew my mind too. It really is a backward nation
You gun worshipping fucktards should start carrying your defective handguns shoved as far up your ass as you can reach. This will keep them safe from the rest of us who don’t worship gun ownership over human lives. Fuck you, fuck your guns. 🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕
Get help. You desperately need it. Maybe try upping your SSRI meds first.
That ain't gonna work.
💯They worship their guns over their god who commanded “Thou Shalt not Kill.”
If someone one breaks into your house and points a weapon at you what are you gonna do? Ask Jesus to take care of it?
If shit goes down in the world like, say for example, a tyrannical government takes power. What exactly are you gonna do? Ask Jesus to take care of him?
No. You’re gonna just sit there, stroking your gun.
Sit the fuck down, grant
Just because some folks own a gun, or several, doesn’t make them a nut. I can’t stand fascists as much as any sane person, nor do I “enjoy” guns, but I have them. Seriously, seek help.
GDS much? lol.
Right back at u Mr. Sullivan
I worship my safety. But it’s nice to know who hates guns in case I decide to go rogue and then I know who’s house I’m gonna break in to!
We have plenty of long guns here, good luck getting in. Could end badly for you.
Oh, so you are one of the gun-loving assholes you were spouting off about. lol. Hypocrite much? 🤦♂️🖕
I’m not coming, it was a comment. Plenty of sickos out there.
That sounds a lot like a threat buddy. You best get right with your God. I think there was a commandment regarding loving your neighbor or something too. Man you people don’t follow your own book or even try to pretend anymore. Fucking pathetic.
The book says judge not least ye be judged in the manner which ye judged.
There was absolutely no threat intended. I was merely trying to make a point. You need to understand more before accusing someone of something
right. me and god both know what your intention was.
When you write God always make the g upper case. I’m very old and not in good health. I’m not the least bit interested in attaching anyone by any means. If you know what my intentions were then you wouldn’t have been so hostile towards me. I mean no harm to anyone.
Truly a case of stupid is as stupid does if they know there’s a problem and still won’t stop carrying them. How about that AFB where the Sig went off in the holster? They made the security police carry M4s until they could get replacement handguns.
At the AFB, it was found that the two airmen were playing around with the pistol and caused a negligent discharge, killing one of the two airmen. The survivor lied about it “going off inside the holster” to cover up the negligence in order to avoid getting into trouble.
Be that as it may, let’s not forget the Dallas PD also pulled the Sig for accidental discharges. It was reported during drop testing it was never tested for a drop where it landed vertically on the hammer. It was “fixed” but that gives any claim of an accidental discharge immediate credibility.
I'd sooner trust a baseball bat.
As a European, I find you guys having a local gun store disturbing.
As an American I find it disturbing that you eunuchs are so testosterone deficient that you've allowed your countries to be destroyed by third world marauders and have no weapons to stand up to your tyrannical governments.
Minneapolis
Oh so witty. You're a good example of the old adage ... it's better to be thought of as a moron than to open your mouth and confirm it. Get a life.
How do you feel about the tyrannical government in our streets now? How many amendments are okay to break? After Saturday you can now add the 2A to the list of civil liberties being broken.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂no country has the killings we have dumb ass
You are truly a clueless moron regurgitating BS because you don’t have the gray matter to think for yourself. Take out 18-30 year old blacks murdering each other and we’re one of the safest nations in the world.
Clear example of a mentally ill SSRI pill popping junkie.
Knee jerk reaction! Nothing wrong with the firearm!
Well, that was good, but you never told us what the problem was. A little more information would be helpful.
You should also advise your viewers about the incident of “accidental discharge” where the idiot lied and his buddies covered for him. So the 320 has been maligned mostly on a lie. Do some research.
He is talking about the fact that this gun can fire just by being on a table that gets bumped. He has videos on YouTube. These guns need to be recalled.
That's ok I love my Glock.🥰
Keep it unchambered.
DUUUUUHHHHHHHHHH
Idiot.
Keeping a weapon unchambered, that has a very small history of being unsafe, is being an idiot? Granted, it is not very good as an every day carry that way, but it is still a good weapon for those who know what they are doing. If someone is not carrying a weapon, they rarely should keep it chambered anyway.
Had he not added the “duhhhhh” like he’s Saying folks are stupid, I wouldn’t have bothered. Fact is if you’re carrying and need your weapon asap, you don’t want to be bothered jacking the slide or dry firing on an empty chamber first. That’s what the safety is for…
I agree the 320 has enough of a history to make one doubt its everyday safety. But they are not as bad as many people think. The recent admission that the Air Force officer was shot because he was messing around and not that the weapon failed, is a good indication that some of the reported failures were human failures. And the truth is, most people drive cars everyday that have higher proven failure rates leading to injury and death. Sig has provided a fix for their earlier versions and improved the latest versions. Cowboys carried guns that were much more likely to malfunction than the 320. If I go out in bear country, I will still carry my Sig 320 XTEN.
I think the bad reputation of the P320 is more related to the litigation culture in the US, holster compatibility and training than a design flaw. This seems realistic given the trigger pull - and that there was a 2017 upgrade to design to prevent UCs (if dropped). Blaming the weapon is something I've heard from many a soldier who's had a negligent discharge. So to get away with the shame, a fine, or buying a yard of beer, and maybe get a paycheck on the way, why not litigate?
If you don't believe this you can compare European to US cases. In addition, the Danish police signed a contract for the P320 in 2018, and this was renewed in 2023. If the weapon was that bad, would they extend the contract? The Norwegians police has used the gun from 2018, and there are no widespread reports of UCs, but reports on unintended discharges align more with NDs.
The P320 X-Carry is built on the same chassis, and from what I gather there are no changes to the safety mechanisms, and this gun is used by Danish SOCOM, GEO in Spain, the Swiss Armed Forces, and several SWAT teams in the US. That's units that wouldn't accept a piece of shit gun, but on the other hand have rigorous training standards.
You are making an assumption that the units in Europe are the same as America. They aren't. 40% of the triggers in the P320 platform in American models are made by an Indian company with poor QA/QC.
I was not aware of this difference; I'd expect that gun enthusiasts in the US would demand the same as in Europe.
Like they give a fvck what gun ethusiasts want. Our military has banned the P320 in multiple units/divisions and that didn't make Sig change. What makes you think private individuals would matter when Sig has made a complete ass out of themselves on this topic?
Then again, I've always been more of a Glock and HK guy.
My impression is that USSOCOM are still using them, but the M17 with a manual safety.
Read my previous comment. I did not say ALL units/divisions.
You did not. I just wanted to point it out, as I still do believe that there may be some litigation cultur and training issues related to this, at least with the guns without the Indian platform. USSOCOM operatives have high standards of training and I don't see them as the litigation type based on my experience with them.
Interestingly the gun industry is the only one that is immune from mandatory safety recalls. Interestingly the gun industry has no safety r&d.